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Hi everyone, thanks for joining today's AMA with Esri's own @ajturner and @jgravois. We will be starting at 11AM Pacific!

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Hello Andrew and John, can you provide a quick overview of your role at Esri and couple projects you are currently excited about? Thanks

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What is the biggest challenge you see regarding all things "open"? What can we as a community do to help improve that?

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:wave: @jgravois!

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Hi Andrew, Hi John - I?m a developer who is actively using the runtime SDK to deploy enterprise mobile apps for field data collection. So far we are really impressed with the functionality and capabilities it provides. I?m curious if ESRI has any plans to release these capabilities in a more ?consumer friendly? way? By this I mean a license with a cost structure similar to other large complex SDKs like the Unreal engine rather than being tied to AGOL logins or single use runtime codes.

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@langdon @gisdev-km @mikedmapper I think we officially start in about 30 mins. And these are great questions. thanks for starting with them

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@ericbader:

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:wave:

Feel free to ask questions ahead of time! Past AMA experiences have seen a fury of questions!

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@esri is a super big company with lots and lots of opportunity, how do you guys keep a sense of focus?

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Have you guys seen my pen? It?s a really nice pen.

happy earth week y?all! looking forward to this thing

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Hey everyone. Let?s welcome @jgravois and @ajturner to the AMA. I?ll let them introduce themselves a little bit, and feel free to upvote any questions!

yay!

so my unofficial made up title is ?developer advocate?.

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Welcome!

im a geographer by training, but these days i write a lot more JS. mostly cause i was never good at making maps to begin with

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i work on lots of different open source initiatives at Esri

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as well as collaborating with folks like Code for America in the civic transparency space

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Hi - I?m @ajturner - I help run the Esri R&D office in Washington, DC.

this is the first time ive been on the hook to answer questions from @steveoh since back when i worked in tech support

I was CTO of GeoIQ, which was acquired by Esri in July 2012 - that formed the new R&D center here. We?re mostly focused on open data, open source, and Web GIS technologies as well as developer engagement

@mikedmapper: you had a good question earlier about ?consumer friendly? licensing of our mobile Runtime SDKs. I?m curious to learn more what you mean

:wave: @manny

and all the other good folks out there

@gisdev-km: you asked about ?biggest challenge you see regarding all things "open"? What can we as a community do to help improve that?"

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honestly, the biggest challenge is defining and scoping ?open"

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4 years ago - Esri had a few open source projects on Codeplex and Sourceforge (remember those) and a scattering of other places. We decided to consolidate everything to GitHub and improve our processes and guidance for how more teams can be building and releasing open-source projects as a matter of their core job responsibilities

@jgravois: if you could change one thing about the company you work for what would it be?

@mikedmapper we definitely know that we?ve got some work to do in order to introduce viable consumer licensing.

oh and when did you get your first tat?

@willcadell: there are definitely wranglers, but i think the great thing about Esri is that we have so many folks working on so many different passions

How has the transition to consolidating everything to GitHub worked out? Have there been any intenral workshops in regards to introducing everyone to git?

steveoh: personally I would move Esri HQ to DC :simple_smile:

our user community is the same way. just because two different folks use our desktop software all day doesnt mean they are touching remotely the same things

@gisdev-km: it?s been an ongoing process for GitHub-ification. There was always a culture of code sharing in the company - but there are mechanics to Git, as well as GitHub specifics like PR that are documented, and @jgravois is doing training

trying to maintaining vision and direction, as well as keeping up with technology changes without alienating folks that are behind is what we?ve been doing for a long time.

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we also chose to use GitHub enterprise for all of our projects - so nearly *every* team in Esri now uses Git + GitHub for their daily work. we did that to remove any process burdens when working between entirely open-source and non-open source projects

Why there is no ESRI for Linux? :disappointed:

Well... there is the Runtime SDK for Qt

@ajturner: if you could change something about a product you ship or try to ship what would it be?

ArcGIS Desktop

@zia weve had Esri for linux for a long time with ArcGIS Engine

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and more recently, in runtimes

@jgravois: why do you smell like curry?

Can you clarify what ESRI means when they say _Open Source_ . I've heard folks bemoan ESRI's use of the term

oh

(i know there are esri folks out there with more domain knowledge than me on lots of these questions, so please jump in if im botching anything)

@jgravois's coworkers are just sitting back eating :popcorn:, watching him sweat

yep

@robodonut: when we say _Open Source_ we mean _software source code that is publicly available for anonymous people to access and use without constraint_

@gisdev-km: @zia Linux is alove and well here at Esri. Sorry for not making that more transparent, we will work on that for you. Runtime Qt and Java support Linux: RHEL, Ubuntu, and we continue to investigate more, like SuSE

:popcorn:

@robodonut: our default license is Apache 2.0

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@steveoh i think everyone knows my stock answer is to open source pretty much everything, but i genuinely like having a more nuanced discussion, both within the company and out here in public

alive. Sorry. I need my glasses

shameless shoutout, but i want to remember to say THANK YOU to the folks at Maptiks (in our startup program) and the other admins in this Slack for all the work they dedicate to this resource

I think the real hero is giphybot.

@zia: ArcGIS Server also runs very well on Linux - so perhaps you mean something more specific?

he was talking desktop/pro

a link to an hour of my wretched voice talking about the basics of github to esri folks in a training session can be found here: https://esri.box.com/s/x4ncpn6lcnu5f91x5yoryvtpkuv9iibr

@robodonut: I?m curious what you?ve heard about Esri?s open source efforts. We always want to know where there are misconceptions or improvements that we can make

@ajturner: the runtime licenses (at the standard level) seem to be tailored to support apps that operate in an enterprise ecosystem, either ?authorized? by an enterprise AGOL account, an on-premise ArcGIS Portal, or using license codes that have to be purchased in packs of 25 for a few thousand $$. This is fine for large orgs that have ELAs, but if we were looking to release an app for public use - say for a citizen science type application - and wanted that app to include functionality from the ?standard? license level it would be not only extremely cost prohibitive, but also impossible to budget given an unknown level of public use. Other complex SDKs like gaming engines go for a flat fee or % of revenue model that is much more accommodating to consumer apps

@steveoh smelling like curry is a lot better than my pants smelled before i can tell you that

@jgravois: what hooked you with Leaflet vs jumping on board the Esri JavaScript API team with @yann, @rene, @khutchins and so forth?

Was it the lack of tattoos? :simple_smile:

@gisdev-km: its definitely not an either or. ive been helping with the JSAPI for a very long time

do you think esri is spreading themselves to thin on the platforms and products they create? Might this cause each product to not get the focus that it needs to succeed? Will we see this shrink to a more possibly sustainable group of core items?

@steveoh: asking the tough questions

but i love working on leaflet too. to be honest, i got excited about it at the time because i was looking for an excuse to learn about git and to learn about leaflet for the first time.

@steveoh good question - fortunately everything across ArcGIS ties back to a common information model

i?m mixing it up, i asked why he smelled like curry a minute ago :simple_smile:

I didn?t understand this before joining esri - but it?s an extremely elegant design that makes it far easier to scale

was it tough to adjust to the esri culture given where you came from?

everything we build needs to work with that information model - FeatureServices handle vector data. Same API across millions of datasets. WebMaps are arrays of FeatureServices + Styling. they power cartographic displays as well as Apps - even if they don?t have a map

if theres one thing ive learned in my years here, is that esri is relentless about trying to accommodate the requests of our users. to be honest, that makes things complex sometimes.

but i love seeing Esri pivot and do the right thing, even though ?steering the big ship? often takes time

@steveoh it was difficult to adjust to the size, but not the fundamental culture. At my previous companies + startups you could look around a lunch table and talk with all the 'decision makers? and probably every employee. At Esri we have flexibility to drive our own projects - but there are a lot of teams to coordinate with

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@steveoh, i think that spreading thin and having lots of different offerings is a better paradigm than one big monolith thats supposed to work for everyone

With other large tech companies, the employees kind of get to choose the projects they work on, is that the same sort of culture at Esri?

@jgravois: spaces or tabs?

this is why task oriented simple web applications work so much better than trying to recreate ArcGIS Desktop in the browser. (edited for clarity)

spaces, tabs, semicolons, no semicolons

haha

ok i?ll stop now

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@gisdev-km: definitely. I feel that even internally esri is like working in open-source communities. New projects start up all the time. They try to coordinate with other teams to get mindshare and code sharing. It?s hard to track everything but Pull Requests are generally accepted to any other project across the platform

@ajturner: there was a reddit post (https://www.reddit.com/r/gis/comments/3tturv/esris_commitment_to_open/) a while back that linked to this video ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCmSrjj0q94) and folks were bemoaning there and there have been comments in the twitterverse

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and there are definitely strong opinions like open source communities.

i dont mind having the ?is esri open enough debate? but for the most part i think its bikeshedding

ive always been a lot more concerned with furthering the professional development of our customers than FOSS for the sake of FOSS

@robodonut I think you?re referring to the difficulty of ?open? in general. It?s a fuzzy term that is more a culture and intent than a binary

dont get me wrong, i LOVE open source, but when someone says that an Esri web template on github isnt open source because you need services behind it, i disagree

because for folks like me trying to learn a little JS in the evenings when i was a GIS analyst, it was incredibly valuable

and it helped me learn about JS and AJAX and REST and event listeners etc. etc. etc

and i had no interest or need at the time to also be a database administrator and to write my own server side code

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Favorite project of your career?

if you could change something about a product you ship or try to ship what would it be?

@gisdev-km: i honestly dont get too attached to them. i love the fact that i can jump from the JSAPI to koop, to esri-leaflet to terraformer to node-arcgis

and find things in common and things that are different

thank you both. I'm just wanting to understand the different perspectives of the discussion!

@steveoh there are a few paradigms that worked a decade ago on desktops or servers that we are re-architecting to align with web-future methodologies.

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take for example - the shapefile :simple_smile:

h/t @dmfenton

@robodonut oh for sure! i think its a valuable discussion to have

> With other large tech companies, the employees kind of get to choose the projects they work on, is that the same sort of culture at Esri?

@gisdev-km: my experience has been that everytime ive been able to identify a job that needed done that sounded interesting to me i was able to get myself up to speed and take a stab at it if i could be self directed

what are ideas you have for us at Esri or ArcGIS? what are painpoints that could be smoothed out?

There is a big push for 3D globe-type interfaces from ESRI right now? what do you feel are the markets/applications that will benefit from this?

oh! geotriggers are only in java :disappointed:

@ajturner i was getting ready to flip things too

you would pull the swap-a-roo on the ama :simple_smile:

what do y?all want to see more of? what should we be dedicating resources to?

Charting in JS. Cedar is nice but i want so much more

i like the idea of having a core lib for the esri js api

@mikedmapper: 3D is not most useful as a Globe - it?s in the immersive portrayal of the real world and potential world

I'd like to see licensing smoothed out a bit between standard and advanced. I almost feel like advanced should be elevated to specific SDE administration tasks but things like the 'Near' tool can be ran at Standard

@robodonut PR accepted! :wink:

@robodonut: this is a good one for charting that you may have already seen https://github.com/Esri/cedar

@robodonut but seriously - what else do you want in it?

real estate (and related industries) is a market that benefits a lot from 3d

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spell check - how do we not have this in ArcGIS yet?

im not sure if you?ve heard, but the JSAPI is planning on open sourcing its widgets at 4.x. im really excited about that!

also - transparent PNG support in layout view

theyve worked really hard to refactor the API and if you havent used the Beta yet, it shows

also a ?convert runtime to geodatabase? tool that works with source files that are located somewhere besides the C drive

does everyone know that they can sign up for a free developer account for R&D?

@mikedmapper: good question. One fun, probably not well known fact, is that all our products support ~28 languages

/points @yann +100 js 4

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that it allows you to publish services for free

@ajturner: I assume all 28 languages have dictionaries available?

/points @rene +100 js 4

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how do you think pushing portal on all of your customers is going to shape the future?

and that we have a program to give away software for free to non-profits?

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@steveoh Portal provides a much more integrated administrative and content management experience than manually dealing with dozens of individual servers

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How long do you think before we have an all "Pro" desktop experience?

and that im hooking up Maptimes and Code for America Brigages working on social environmental justice projects (and education) with voucher codes for free credits?

@ajturner: During my whole university life, just like most of the universities out there, I learned ArcGIS. But the moment I passed out I found it expensive to buy and eventually started using QGIS, OpenJump and other open tools :disappointed: It was sad.

I would like ESRI to release basic as a community edition, after all it's really so basic to be actually useful without extensions or things you can use in standard or advanced

there is ArcGIS for Personal Use

@zia: there?s always $100 ArcGIS http://www.esri.com/software/arcgis/arcgis-for-personal-use

I've had Esri employees reach out to me privately to submit enhancements to the # open source project. They use it for LOB applications but cannot be open about using it/supporting it. As if they are not towing the "Esri line" if they openly promote. Is that a culture of fear or ???

Is that recent?

hoping for easier brushing, filtering and general connectivity between a service and a chart.

@antoniolocandro: see ^^ Personal Edition

If we made a drinking game that was drink everytime you heard the phrase "Vector Tiles? at EsriUC how black out drunk would you get?

@ajturner: Since you?re asking? I work in a cartography lab where we are exporting a lot of vector data cuts from Desktop for creating maps in Illustrator. Something seemingly simple that hasn?t been fixed (at least in 10.3) is the scale bar. It can get very wrong depending on projection and extent of the map. I have to manually convert to graphics and correct it based on geodesic measurement. We would love to see this fixed!

Is Personal Edition licensed as such to be able to particpate in community projects?

also any K-12 school in the US can get ArcGIS http://www.esri.com/connected

@flippmoke: doesn?t that depend on your capacity?

@flippmoke: this presentation provides a lot more clarity on what we?ve been doing. and it would get you civil war drunk: http://video.esri.com/watch/5015/vector-tiles-in-the-arcgis-platform

labeling of vector tile features is not awesome at the moment

@tmcgee: that?s a personal question - not a policy or culture of Esri

Do you plan on updating to the Vector Tile Specification 2?

@ajturner: personal might be fine in the Us a hassle to buy outside is due to regional partners. Also I believe it has restriction to well personal use

its an AMA andrew

im taking underwear questions over here

@steveoh vector tiles rendering is pending some big updates.

Remember we?re in mid-Conference season: FedGIS->DevSummit->UC

yup the churn!

no one said anything about underwear, just why you smell like curry :simple_smile:

@tmcgee: I've used # for client projects - in my experience, if it was the right solution, no one has objected

@ajturner: my impression from them is it was a cultural issue.

@tomwayson: good to hear

@antoniolocandro: indeed when going global there are a lot of complications. We currently work in ~190 countries. Always the top of our minds, just rarely a ?straight-forward problem"

@kdanaher: you might find this interesting: http://www.esri.com/software/maps-for-adobecc

Any stuff you see in other software like qgis that you say damn we want that in our desktop product?

I?ll jump on that one @tmcgee, I?m encouraged to contribute back to any project that?s useful when I can. I?m still _green_, but I haven?t seen it.

there are esri folks in the channel, but im going to try and file some of these enhancement requests and possible bug reports too. so dont worry if i dont reply individually

same same for me with contributing to external projects

its a non-issue

@antoniolocandro: im a hack with QGIS, but i cant say ive ever had that experience using it.

@tmcgee: and like any company there is still ?job responsibility? vs ?what I do in my spare time?. We support contributing to projects and generally raising the bar but everyone has things they need to ship

@antoniolocandro: QGIS has great Mac OS X support!

@rene @dmfenton good to hear. The 2 that come to mind were not US-based so perhaps the culture is different in other offices.

@antoniolocandro: also https://github.com/geometalab/ArcGISConnector-QGIS-Plugin

im hearing a lot of questions about an ?Esri Culture? and im not sure i agree that there is one

@tmcgee: yeah, there are some 50 esri regional offices and int?l distributors located in 130 countries or so? (My numbers are guestimates).

obviously diversity and gender equality in tech are real issues that impact us too, but we have a ton of diversity, both in background and opinion

I would like to just provide feedback that my interactions with individual Esri folks have been great. Between Twitter, Slack, the #geodev meetups, DevSummit and UC, its enjoyable to meet with talented individuals across a wide range of skills

When will ESRI give us direct postgis read/write not just query layers without need for server? I know probably server will be needed for more advanced stuff like versioning or GDB based on postgis

and that diversity is a strength

The only time I digress is dealing with Tier 1 support :wink:

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How much geometry is correction is done by ArcGIS prior to it making vector tiles?

@gisdev-km: i actually spent more than half my time in tech support as a Tier 1 analyst

first in desktop and mobile, and later supporting Web APIs

@tmcgee: not sure why someone would need to do that in a hidden way

@jgravois: is there a code word to skip tier 1? I haven?t used it in a long time but would love to know if I could skip it

@williamscraigm: I can't answer as to the why.

I want to skip local support to just even reach US tier 1

:disappointed:

hah. i am immensely proud of the tech support Esri provides. i think its one of our biggest value adds.

I agree with you. it brought me up to speed as a noob

that said, if you are ever working with someone and having a difficult time getting resolution, and its a time sensitive issue, please feel free to politely request that additional help be found

I've been working with Esri web GIS for 15 years and I will say that Esri is certainly more open now than in the not too distant past. Encouraging.

@antoniolocandro: you can?t do this now with Postgres? We direct connect to SQLServer SDE databases all the time for attribute editing without going through ESRI services

@jgravois: Agreed, there is not just one culture. There are lots of flavors between divisions / departments / even between Redlands HQ and regional offices. I will say this: Esri Café culture is great. There is always a table of smart, welcoming people I can take my tray to for lunch.

@flippmoke: geometry correction like fixing ring order etc?

thanks @tmcgee - i?m glad to hear that. we want to keep that up and keep expanding our open source code projects, as well as always adding more standards API and making it easy to integrate with other platforms and projects

@mikedmapper: I believe you can't with postgis you at least need third party plugin like gissquirrel

@williamscraigm: winding order is one concern, but also fixing self intersections etc

@ajturner: where do you see yourself in 5 years?

@mikedmapper: i think @antoniolocandro is right. ive heard folks ask for it in the past, but i dont believe we are working on it at the moment

i know that kind of thing can be frustrating to hear, but we genuinely have a ridiculous amount of diversity in our user community with people asking for a lot of different things

@steveoh in a new house (we?re moving a few blocks over closer to the Capitol Building in downtown DC)

@ajturner: what is your go to interview question?

so lots of valid requests dont end up with the force behind them that you think there would be

any plans for linear referencing-type capabilities in the runtime? By that I mean the ability to say ?return point X at distance Y along line Z"

ajturner: is that house painted white?

@steveoh: "If you were a question would question would you be?"

Postgis is being so wildly use it just seems insane not supported out of the box

large columns in front?big fence?

@steveoh: the one you just asked :wink: also ?You spend a majority of your waking hours with us - what do you want to be doing & accomplishing that gets you excited?"

@agmapper: A couple of our cartographers were invited and attended a workshop on that. We have a great workflow currently w/ ArcGIS Desktop, Illustrator, and MAPublisher, but it?s certainly possible that it could replace MAPublisher down the road for us!

@flippmoke: ArcGIS has a fairly strong and well defined geometry model that defines geometry validity. We have tools to repair invalid geometries. We don't auto-run these are part of VT creation, as there is a bit of an expectation that geometries are valid. That said, we do repair a few situations like polygons that aren't closed etc.

Do you ever see ESRI contributing to non-web libraries such as Boost Geometry etc?

flippmoke the Esri Geometry Engine is open source

I wouldn?t call that a web library

@dmfenton i didnt think it was open sourced

@kdanaher: good - glad you are aware. I haven't used it yet but am excited by the possibilities.

but i could be wrong

i think you are right

the Java geometry library is

oh gotcha, thats what he was talking about from the beginning. my bad

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yup

I've heard tell that the spatial analyst engine is still the original engine that Morehouse wrote and its just be wrapped a bunch. is this the case?

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oooh. more weird esri rumor questions, please!

a few other exciting open source projects: - LERC for raster compression : https://github.com/Esri/lerc - upcoming Python Notebook support & SciPy http://4326.us/esri/scipy/#/ - essentially anything from Mansour: http://thunderheadxpler.blogspot.com/

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++ to anything from Mansour

@ajturner thanks for plugging those

dude is giving out gold on the weekly

I don?t think @mraad is here today.

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your wish is his command

_summoned_

wow! that was something.

wonders if realizes we are all just Bots

ask @mraad anything

please do

I invited him? he?s not here

scott morehouse writes all the code

slack auto joins on invite

the rest of us are very convincing bots

:frowning:

scott morehouse flys by me like a bat outta hell in his falcon when im pedaling to work

Scala vector tiles rendering & server (because we can?t get enough of saying _vector tiles_) https://github.com/mraad/vector-tiles + https://github.com/mraad/vector-tiles-boot

i dont know if this is helpful for anybody, but im certainly having a good time

I am just Mapbox?s fork of cleverbot

Will ?vector tiles? or ?platform? win out as the UC buzzword this year? :simple_smile:

hope you are too

Mansour is one of the more advanced bots written by smorehouse

giving away all my ?secrets?. I just republish @mraad?s work as my own

Look at the hair on that dude

@mraad: is my hero (and the count from sesame street). i love him dearly

?fact new Esri engineers need to build their own car from scratch: https://www.flickr.com/photos/caseorganic/9244609083

where are all the devsummit session recordings? Couldn?t make it this year because :baby:

@mikedmapper: good question. they will be posted very very soon

@mikedmapper: some are published for free, some are for purchase.

@mikedmapper: http://video.esri.com/series/257/2016-developer-summit

50 free videos i believe

looking for the iOS videos that were going to be free

How good are ESRI products in image processing? Satellite images, especially SAR data?

let me try and dig up a link to the blog i saw the other day

zia: super advanced and awesome

have to make due with my pirated ?road ahead? phone videos

@ziaI think it?s something we pride ourselves on

YUGE improvements coming for large datasets with on-the-fly processing

@zia http://www.esri.com/software/arcgis/arcgisserver/extensions/image-extension

@zia: Awesome -- http://www.esri.com/products/arcgis-capabilities/imagery

feel free to hit me up on slack or twitter if i didnt answer your question or you want to talk about anything else and thanks so much for coming!

@agmapper++

Ok, we are at the hour mark! I would like to thank everyone for coming and a huge thank you to @ajturner and @jgravois. If @ajturner and @jgravois are willing to stick around for a few minutes to answer any questions, feel free to ask

thx

of course

thanks for doing this!

woot!

/points @jgravois +100 for being awesome

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/points @ajturner +100 for being awesome

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Thanks gents!

Thanks guys

@jgravois @ajturner thank you

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nice work !

Fun times - thanks for the questions

We will leave this channel up for a bit so everyone can read through it and then will archive it and post it for later.

we?re in # and other channels most days

see people at FOSS4G-NA in Raleigh in May?

@zia: also join the imagery webinars coming up http://go.esri.com/imageryseries

i?ll be in Raleigh. and Tucson before

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and New England after?

will be at FOSS4G to talk all things Koop

Raleigh? FOSS4G?

@zia The on the fly image processing saves time and $$ since you don't have to store and tile all the intermediate information products you might want to serve out. It is really powerful, really fast.

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@agmapper: thx. I will check

@ajturner: will see you at FOSS4G

@flippmoke: please hit me up too. if theres anything i can do to help facilitate collaboration, id love to help.

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@williamscraigm: are you one of the devs working on VTiles?

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@flippmoke: not sure where he went, but craig works on a whole bunch of different projects including our work to cook tiles in ArcGIS Pro

@williamscraigm: hit me up in chat :simple_smile:

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@flippmoke: sorry went to lunch. I'm the product owner for VTs at Esri. Will hit you up on chat.

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